The FATIMA FILE (feb17fat.htm)
February 17, 2005
vol 16, no. 48
Did the True Secret of Fatima Die With Sister Lucy?

    EDITOR'S NOTES: This is a trilogy of exposing the cracks in the thin-skinned shell of Modern Rome's "interpetation" that so insidiously avoids any mention of apostasy in the Church. The first article is a release from the Fatima Center and the second part is an interesting twist on the secret that was released in which one of the leading Mariologist theologians, albeit Novus Ordo, refutes Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger's interpretation. The piece was composed by Ron and Kirstie Finster as part of their series on "The Third Secret of Fatima." The third and final piece is from WorldNetDaily, written most probably shortly after the 'Third Secret' was "revealed" and is a strong denial of what it really contained as Father Gommar DePauw, founder of the Catholic Traditionalist movement in America and a charter member of the Tower of Trent Hall of Honor, debunks the new Vatican's spin. With the passing of the last Fatima seer, we present the three pieces together during this week of her interment.

Fatima Center Asks

Fort Erie: February 14, 2005

    While the Fatima Center mourns the death of Sister Lucy, the lone surviving seer of Fatima, it also asks if the true Secret of Fatima has died with her. For 45 years, she had been forbidden by the Vatican to speak of the mysterious Secret, and died under this imposition of silence.

    The Secret was supposed to be released in 1960, but Pope John XXIII decided to keep it hidden. On June 26, 2000, the Vaticanís Cardinal Ratzinger released a part of the Third Secret containing the vision of a "bishop clothed in white" who is killed by gunfire from a group of soldiers. In the same vision, many bishops, priests and lay people are also killed by these soldiers.

    According to the Vatican interpretation, the Third Secret is nothing more than a prediction of the May 13, 1981 assassination attempt against Pope John Paul II by the lone gunman, Mehmet Ali Agca.

    Both Catholic and non-Catholic sources questioned the authenticity of this interpretation. Even the July 1, 2000 Washington Post, challenged the Vaticanís interpretation of the Secret as it did not correspond to the reported vision. On May 13, 1981, the Pope was not killed, no one else was killed, and there were no soldiers shooting at anyone.

    Father Nicholas Gruner, Director of the Fatima Center, is a world-renowned expert on Fatima. He has spent more than 27 years of his priesthood devoted to publishing the Message of Fatima through his journal The Fatima Crusader, as well as through television, radio and the Internet ( He argues, "Our Blessed Mother wished the full Third Secret to be released. Yet everything indicates that the complete Secret has yet to be revealed."

    The contents of the Vaticanís published vision does not jibe with statements of those who had read the Third Secret. Cardinal Mario Ciappi, the Papal Theologian, said in 1995, "In the Third Secret it is foretold, among other things, that the great apostasy in the Church will begin at the top." In 1984, Cardinal Ratzinger said the Secret contained warnings against the "dangers to the Faith, the life of the Christian, and therefore the life of the world ", but in 2000, he made no allusions to these facets of the Secret. Pope John Paul II in Fulda, 1980, alluded to the Secret containing the prophecy "that the oceans will entirely flood certain parts of the earth, that from moment to moment, millions of people will die." This aspect of the Secret also was found nowhere in Vatican June 2000 release.

    Sister Lucy had been forbidden by the Vatican to speak publicly on Fatima and the Third Secret. Father Gruner comments, "Sister Lucy was the only Catholic in the world who was not allowed to speak publicly on the Message and the Third Secret without prior permission from the Vatican. Every Catholic in the Church, since the change of Canon Law in 1966, has been free to speak and to publish on the Fatima Message, except the only one whom God chose to deliver the message to mankind."

    Sister Lucy, in fact, had been under a gag order from the Vatican since 1960. Her last interview published without pre-authorization of the Vatican was in 1957. For the past 15 years, the Fatima Center has campaigned to free Sister Lucy from this imposition of silence. It has repeatedly asked the Vatican to allow her to publicly affirm or deny the various statements attributed to her regarding the Third Secret and the Fatima Message. This permission was never granted.

    The Fatima Center will carry on its work in promoting the full Message of Fatima and will continue to campaign for the release of the full Third Secret.

    Contact: The Fatima Center, Coralie Graham. Day hours: 905-871-7607. After hours: 905-993-2560. Email: A comprehensive treatment of the Third Secret controversy is found in The Devilís Final Battle. See the Fatima Centerís web site:

The Third Secret of Fatima - In a Nutshell

    Well-known Marian Theologian disagrees with Ratzinger's interpretation and with reason
By Ron and Kirstie Finster

    It is interesting to consider some comments made by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger and reported in an article published in 1997 by Catholic World News. The title of the article is Ratzinger rejects rumors on secret of Fatima. In it, Cardinal Ratzinger rejects the speculations of Father Rene Laurentin who, according to the article, has "gained special prominence through his work on Marian apparitions". The article says Fr. Laurentin had speculated that "in the third secret, the Virgin Mary had predicted a period of dissent from Catholic doctrine, leading to grave divisions in the Church."

    Remember that this article was published in 1997! Now that was in 1997, and supposing that we are all now "informed" of the third secret vision, it is revealing to review this statement of Cardinal Ratzinger in light of his theological commentary contrasted with our interpretation we have presented. For here we see that in our interpretation, the key event of the vision is the excommunication of Lefebvre but this event also reveals the persecution of all those who defend the Church's Tradition. Thus the key message that arises out of our interpretation of this vision matches Fr. Laurentin's notion, that is, that the third secret reveals a period of descent from doctrine resulting in deep division within the Church.

Elements in the Vision
A Possible Interpretation
Cardinal Ratzinger's Comments
a bishop in white
a saintly bishop who refrains from errors engulfing many 1
the pope
who gives the impression of the Holy Father
who resembles a Holy Father, perhaps by guarding doctrine and leadimg the faithful
who is the pope
other bishops, priests, religious
defenders of Tradition
religious of the Church
a city upon a mountain which lies half in ruins
The Church, now divided (Pope Leo XIII described the Church as a city upon the mountain 2)
"the arena of human history"
wooden cross
with the bark
cross = a sign of faith, cross with bark = faith preserved 3 = Tradition
cross = "the goal and guide of history", and a sign of history's misery
the spiritually dead 4
the Church's path is a journey through a time of persecution
bullets and arrows
the "sword" that "kills" the bishop and the others is the tongue 5
a bullet shot at the pope that didn't kill the pope or anyone else.
death of the bishop and others with him
the unjust excommunication of defenders of Tradition
the death of witnesses of the faith in a century of martyrs
martyrs' blood falls on those making their way to God
THE martyrdom bears fruit, and guides Catholics in God's will which is the essence of holiness.
martyrdoms bear fruit, "A suffering Church...becomes a sign-post for man in his search for God." The martyrs die in communion with the Passion of Christ
"The Virgin Mary had predicted a period of dissent from Catholic doctrine, leading to grave divisions in the Church." just as L'Abbe Laurentin speculated.
"the exhortation to prayer as the path of 'salvation for souls' and, likewise, the summons to penance and conversion." - Cardinal Ratzinger's interpretation.

    1 The Idea here comes from Scripture, i.e. Apocalypse 3:4
    2 From Pope Leo XIII's encyclical Satis Cognitum
    3 Clue from Lucy's statement "In Portugal, the dogma of the faith will always be preserved."
    4 This idea comes from Scripture (Psalm 57) and the writings of St. Augustine of Hippo
    5 From Scripture (Psalm 56) and the writings of St. Augustine of Hippo

    It appears that Fr. Laurentin made a remarkably well-fitting speculation of what the third secret vision could mean, whereas Cardinal Ratzinger's interpretion empties the vision of any real meaning.

    It is also revealing to note the date at which the Vatican started spreading word that the consecration has been fulfilled. It was about the same time that Fr. Nicholas Gruner and his apostolate came under heavy persecution. In fact, it was the same year. Mr. Christopher Ferrara writes about this in his article, "Father Fox's Modernist Assault on Fatima":

    "Why would Fr. Fox suddenly declare in 1989 that the consecration of Russia need not mention Russia, when this change of position was contrary to Sister Lucy's unvarying testimony, not to mention common sense itself? ... The answer appears to lie in a dictate emanating from the anti-Fatima elements of the Vatican bureaucracy, most probably the Secretary of State, some time during the period 1988-1989. As the renowned Fatima scholar FrŤre FranÁois recounts: '[A]n order came from the Vatican addressed to the authorities of Fatima, to Sister Lucy, to diverse ecclesiastics, including Father Messias Coelho, and a French priest [evidently Fr. Pierre Caillon] very much devoted to Our Lady, ordering everyone to cease pestering the Holy Father with the Consecration of Russia.' Fatima devotee Father Caillon confirmed that 'An order came from Rome, obliging everyone to say and think: The Consecration is done...' In fact, it was in 1989 that Father Gruner's bishop at the time (the Bishop of Avellino) first notified him of 'worried signals' from the Vatican Secretary of State [Cardinal Angelo Sodano] concerning Father Gruner's Fatima apostolate, which was not following the party line..."

    So "some time during the period 1988-1989", it was decided that news of the fulfillment of the consecration of Russia should be spread throughout the Church. In light of the possibility that there may be a link between the fight for Tradition and the third secret of Fatima, was it a coincidence that the excommunications occurred in mid-1988, or did this event trigger an effort to silence the Fatima message?

The following was from World Net Daily by Jon E. Dougherty and written shortly after the Third Secret was issued in 2000.

Telling secrets on the Vatican

    Controversy erupts over release of final Fatima mystery
Founder of the Catholic Traditionalist Movement Saw Third Secret as a Peritus. Guess what? It didn't jive with the bafflegab issued by Modern Rome in 2000!

By Jon E. Dougherty

    A Catholic priest who says he has seen the original text of the "third secret" of Fatima disputes the official interpretation of the secret released by the Vatican.

    The Catholic Church says the Virgin Mary passed the secrets of Fatima to three Portuguese children in 1917. The third secret is the final one to be released.

    For decades, speculation about the third secret has resulted in a spate of theories that it predicted the end of modern times -- the world as it is now known -- as well as other apocalyptic visions of despair.

    According to the Vatican's interpretation, however, the third secret differed substantially from what it was believed to contain by many in the so-called "mainstream" community and Church.

    Church traditionalists say it also differs from information -- much of it leaked over the years -- about what they know and believe is contained in the secret, which was finally published more than 40 years after the Vatican was supposed to release it.

    Now that it has finally been published, Catholics in the traditionalist faction say the version published differs from the original. Critics include a priest who says he has seen the original third secret text.

Rev. Dr. Gommar A. De Pauw

    Rev. Dr. Gommar A. De Pauw, founder of the Catholic Traditionalist Movement, told WorldNetDaily earlier this week that while attending the Second Vatican Ecumenical Council -- held between 1962 and 1965 -- he was shown a copy of the third secret.

    Fr. De Pauw, a Belgian-born priest who attended the Council as an adviser, said that although he had to "let the Vatican's interpretation sink in," his first impression of the 27-page document explaining the third secret and placing it in context of the other two was, "Thanks, but no thanks."

    Missing from the Vatican's explanation, he said, was a portion of the secret that predicted the fall of the modern Catholic Church.

    "While at the (Second Vatican) Council, I was given the text -- the supposed text -- of the third secret of Fatima," Fr. De Pauw said. "Journal reporters -- journalists -- gave it to me" and a few others in attendance.

    "They left it for me in a strange way, really," he said. "At my desk, in front of me, in the press room." Besides serving the Vatican in various functions and manners over the years, Fr. De Pauw said he was also an "accredited journalist," which, he said, explained his presence in the press area.

    Fr. De Pauw, who couldn't remember the reporter's name, said, "word got out among the journalists" that a copy of the text was "floating around."

    "Reporters would increasingly ask me, 'Is this real? Is it genuine?'" he said.

    But when he attempted to ask key people in the Vatican about the text, "they were always reluctant to say anything -- particularly because, supposedly, the only ones who had seen it were the pope, John XXIII, and Cardinal [Alfredo] Ottaviani," who headed the Vatican's Holy Office.

    "That text -- which I accepted as authentic -- was totally different from what they are coming up with now," De Pauw said. "It's going to take a while before these 27 pages sink in and it's not clear to me what conclusion I should reach. To me, it demands, almost, a total rejection of the whole so-called Fatima devotion. But that's my first impression."

    Nevertheless, Fr. De Pauw said, the main impetus of the "original" secret he viewed over 35 years ago was a prediction by the Holy Virgin that there would be, mainly, "an unbelievable, total doctrinal and moral ... spiritual ... collapse of the establishment Catholic Church" -- something Vatican officials are "not going to admit," he said.

    "I do not accept [the Vatican's] interpretation," he added.

    A spokesman for the U.S. Catholic Conference told WorldNetDaily that its parent organization, The National Conference of Catholic Bishops, "accepted fully" the Vatican's explanation and interpretation of both the third secret and the two which proceeded it.

    The third secret avoids any mention of a collapse of the Church and, instead, focuses on "penance." While the translated text offered by the Vatican said that "the Holy Father" -- the pope -- "was killed by a group of soldiers" as he and other religious figures within the Church climbed "up a steep mountain," the interpretation focuses on an encouraging message.

    According to the Vatican's interpretation, "other key words are 'my Immaculate Heart [Virgin Mary] will triumph,' and 'the Heart open to God,' purified by contemplation of God, is stronger than guns and weapons of every kind. The 'fiat' of Mary, the word of her heart, has changed the history of the world."

    Fr. De Pauw admits that his statements "are a little radical," but, he said, not without merit.

    Besides the differences in text, Fr. De Pauw said the Vatican's summary of all three secrets "also does not make any reference to the 'Miracle of the Sun,' which took place Oct. 13, 1917." He said that event -- which was described by observers as a "dancing sun" -- was "witnessed not simply by the three children but by thousands of people, including dozens and dozens of very skeptical journalists. But no one is making any reference to that."

    Fr. De Pauw said, in fact, that Vatican officials had, at times, actually attempted to downplay the event "as nothing more than the imagination of three visionary children."

    Newspapers of the time, however, did cover the event, he said.

    Other prominent Catholic groups were perplexed by the Vatican's delays in releasing the text of the third secret.

    "We're puzzled as to why we must wait for an official commentary," said Fr. Paul Kramer, a priest at the Fatima Center, a Canada-based Catholic organization that promotes the Message of Fatima. "The first two parts of the secret are quite clear in what they say and predict. It does not seem likely that the third part is so obscure that it requires deciphering by a team of experts."

    "Our Lady of Fatima did not speak in riddles," he said in a statement.

    The late Catholic author Fr. Malachi Martin has also alluded to the secrets in his numerous best-selling books that were labeled fiction, "but contained 80 percent truth," according to friend and advisor, Fr. Charles Fiore, who lives in the Diocese of Madison, Wis., and belongs to the priestly fraternity of St. Peter. [Ed. Note: Fr. Fiore has passed away since this article was written]

    In an interview last year, Fr. Fiore told WorldNetDaily that Fr. Martin's last book, which was not yet finished before he died last July 29 in New York City, was "a nonfiction piece about Vatican power as the Church approaches the third millennium."

    Regarding that book, "Primacy: How the Institutional Roman Catholic Church Became a Creature of the New World Order," Fr. Fiore said Fr. Martin believed it would be "his most controversial and important work."

    Far from being fiction, Fr. Fiore said, the book was dealing exclusively "with power and the papacy," and would have "analyzed the revolutionary shift in the ancient dogma of primacy that lies at the heart of what many now see as the first breakdown of papal power in two millennia."

    The book would have highlighted Malachi Martin's uncanny ability to see through and predict the hidden geopolitics of the Vatican and its "complex global dealings with governments and nations," Fr. Fiore said.

    "The battle that concerns Martin is the fundamental survival of belief in God -- and the struggle that supercedes our individual faiths is the one between us and those who would destroy all faiths," wrote author Alan Caruba for The Jewish Future -- an observation that keenly matches Fr. De Pauw's interpretation and, oddly, portions of the version of the third secret interpreted by the Vatican, Fr. Fiore observed.

    Last month, however, the Vatican pre-empted at least some speculation about the contents of the final secret by announcing, finally, its impending release -- an act ordered by Pope John Paul II, Vatican officials said.

    Vatican Secretary of State Cardinal Angelo Sodano announced in Fatima, Portugal, May 13 that the Holy See intended to release the text of the third secret. The pope had gone to Fatima to beatify -- or make saints of -- the two shepherd children who, with Sr. Lucia, received the three secrets over 85 years ago.

    During his statement, which was delivered in Portuguese, Cardinal Sodano said the third secret contained "a prophetic vision similar to those found in Sacred Scripture, which do not describe with photographic clarity the details of future events, but rather synthesize and condense against a unified background events spread out over time in a succession and a duration which are not specified.

    "As a result," he added, "the text must be interpreted in a symbolic key."

    Offering a glimpse of what the secret contained, Cardinal Sodano said, "The vision of Fatima concerns above all the war waged by atheist systems against the Church and Christians and it describes the immense suffering endured by the witnesses to the faith in the last century of the second millennium.

    "It is an interminable Way of the Cross led by the popes of the twentieth century," he added, with no mention of any text that symbolically or otherwise described the version Fr. De Pauw has claimed to see.

    John Paul credits the Virgin Mary with saving his life after an assassination attempt May 13, 1981 in St. Peter's Square by a Turkish nationalist -- 64 years to the day after the Holy Mother first appeared to the three Portuguese children. And, the Vatican says, he believes because of her divine intervention, the vision of a pope being killed by gunfire in the third secret was thwarted.

    John Paul wrote shortly after the attempt on his life that it was "a motherly hand which guided the bullet's path," enabling the "dying Pope" to halt "at the threshold of death."

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